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		<title>Setting some celebration ground rules</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>If you live in Wisconsin this week, these are wonderful times. The Packers are world champions for the 13th time. The three Lombardi Trophies proudly displayed in the final room of the Packers Hall of Fame are about to get a new friend. (Side note: We love the spotlights on the trophies, the music playing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you live in Wisconsin this week, these are wonderful times. The Packers are world champions for the 13th time. The three Lombardi Trophies proudly displayed in the final room of the Packers Hall of Fame are about to get a new friend. (Side note: We love the spotlights on the trophies, the music playing in the background and the montage of Packers greats on the walls in that room, but they really need a better ventilation system in there. Every time we&#8217;re in there, it always gets so dusty.)</p>
<p>But if you live outside of Wisconsin, the Packers&#8217; status as Super Bowl champions can be fun for another reason: Gloating. This is particularly true for the Minneapolis chapter of Ol&#8217; Bag of Donuts (Adam and Chris).</p>
<p>As most of you know, all three of us lived in Minnesota when we started this blog, which of course meant dealing with Vikings fans. We&#8217;ve made no secret on this site about how we feel about them &#8212; how laughable and obnoxious we find it they try to equate their legacy with ours one minute, only to grumble about how we care too much and we&#8217;re living in the past the next minute. They seem to love to point out Minneapolis&#8217; vibrant arts scene as some kind of evidence of their sophistication, forgetting that outside of the Twin Cities, most of Minnesota is exactly like most of Wisconsin. And guys, if you can show us your last ticket stub from the Guthrie Theater or the Walker Arts Center, we&#8217;ll back off.</p>
<p>Most of those arguments were baseless in the first place, and now, they ring completely hollow. &#8220;Stop living in the past&#8221; is useless, because the Packers are the present champions of the world. Shots at Packers fans for caring too much just come off as phony, because the classier half of the Vikings fanbase will readily admit how much they long for what we have. The Metrodome collapsed, Brad Childress tossed a third-round pick to the Patriots on his way out of town, the Randy Moss trade was a joke, the StarCaps case may finally bring down the Williams Wall, Adrian Peterson is a free agent after next season and Brett Favre is gone. Oh, and the team might move to Los Angeles. Other than the Vikings&#8217; infancy in the early 1960s, there may be no point in the history of these two franchises where the disparity has been as great as it is right now.</p>
<p>And because so many Packers fans live in Minnesota, either dating to before the Vikings arrived or owing something to the massive influx of Wisconsinites who cross the border for college, there are plenty of opportunities for trash-talk between the two fanbases. The Minneapolis Star Tribune published a story today called &#8220;<a href="http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/115531809.html" target="_blank">Title etiquette: Packer backers need to behave</a>.&#8221; It was written with tongue firmly in cheek, and it was good entertainment. And in the spirit of good entertainment, we&#8217;d like to respond with a few points of our own. Consider this the OBOD Super Bowl Celebration Manifesto:</p>
<p>&#8211;The article states that Packers fans in Minnesota are only allowed to discuss the Super Bowl if it&#8217;s brought up to them first. While we agree it&#8217;s not good to excessively rub Vikings fans&#8217; noses in it, we can&#8217;t help but think this is all some sort of cosmic course correction for 2009, when Vikings fans, who had spent 16 years spewing bile at Brett Favre, were only too happy to remind us that they had our beloved hero. They told us at every turn how jealous we must be, even when we&#8217;d assert we were perfectly happy with our young quarterback and we&#8217;d caution them about how the playoffs would inevitably turn out. And we&#8217;re sorry, but to talk endless smack at one point and cry foul when it turns on you is just, well,<em> so Vikings</em>. We&#8217;ll behave (mostly), but after the Favre soap opera, know that you&#8217;ve earned yourselves a few jabs.</p>
<p>&#8211;We&#8217;ve been asked to refrain from mentioning the 13-championship disparity between these two franchises. Again, we at OBOD will use some discretion, but haven&#8217;t Vikings fans earned a little of that with all of their &#8220;Stop living in the past!&#8221; rhetoric? Championships, after all, are what you play for, and the Packers have more of them than any other team. And it&#8217;s easy not to remember the past when yours is so forgettable (no Super Bowls since 1976, and four losses in four tries).</p>
<p>&#8211;Under no circumstances will we cease to mention the massive disparity in quarterbacking between these two franchises, especially after the Vikings begged, pandered (and possibly tampered) to get Favre, and tried telling us how much we still loved him over the last two years. One team had a quarterbacking plan while the other gambled and lost. That fact is pertinent, it&#8217;s timely and even in intelligent football discussions, it&#8217;s central to the difference between these two teams. Though Favre himself does not need to be the topic of discussion, the effects of backing Favre, or not backing him, will reverberate far into the future for these two teams.</p>
<p>&#8211;Finally, please, please, please stop with the tired old lines like, &#8220;All cheeseheads sniff paint thinner!&#8221; and &#8220;Packers fans are just drunk all the time!&#8221; We&#8217;ve all lived in Minnesota. We&#8217;ve gone to college there. It doesn&#8217;t look much different than Wisconsin. Secondly, if Super Bowl XLV proved anything, it&#8217;s that the Packers are truly a national franchise with support too broad to confine to Wisconsin. And finally, to those who would trumpet Minnesota&#8217;s sophistication edge, we have two words for you: St. Cloud.</p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve gotten that out of the way, here&#8217;s how we at OBOD plan to celebrate:</p>
<p>&#8211;We will joyfully wear our Packers championship gear throughout the offseason, even into the summer, but we will not utter the words &#8220;Vikings&#8221; unless we are asked about football first. If we are provoked, we are equipped with all manner of weapons of mass debunking to set the record straight. But we will keep our celebration on the right side of the &#8220;We&#8217;re the champs&#8221;/&#8221;We&#8217;re the champs and you suck&#8221; border.</p>
<p>&#8211;We will revel in the irony of Aaron Rodgers&#8217; ascension and Ted Thompson&#8217;s vindication in the wake of Brett Favre&#8217;s departure, but we will keep <em>most</em> of the Favre rhetoric confined to what he said when he was forcing his way out of Green Bay, not when he played with the Vikings. There will be more attention on Favre&#8217;s relationship with the Packers going forward than his relationship with the Vikings anyway, and frankly, we don&#8217;t care enough about him to bother. He&#8217;s got his own problems these days, anyway.</p>
<p>&#8211;We will concentrate more energy on our newly renewed rivalry with the Chicago Bears, which frankly should have more spice than the Packers/Vikings feud anyway. We greatly enjoy the respectful, historical tenor of the Packers-Bears rivalry, and the run-up to the NFC Championship Game put that in a new light. The one problem between the Packers and Bears is that both teams are so rarely good at the same time, and there&#8217;s a chance that both will remain competitive for a few years to come (though we have our doubts about Jay Cutler). Still, we are hopeful that the playoffs put Packers-Bears back in its rightful place as the pre-eminent NFC North rivalry, ahead of the big-brother/little-brother dynamic that has always marked Packers-Vikings.</p>
<p>&#8211;Lastly, we will root for the Vikings to get a new stadium and remain in Minneapolis. Though we are frequently annoyed with Vikings fans, we recognize the strength of the NFC North lies in the fact it has four teams who have all been in the league for more than 50 years, and butting heads just as long. The NFC East is the only other division in football that has such a rich tradition of rivalries, and if the Vikings were to leave, something would be lost. We&#8217;ve always said we don&#8217;t hate the Vikings as much as we love to hate them, which means in the end, it&#8217;s all in good fun.</p>
<p>We feel these are reasonable terms under which to celebrate the Packers&#8217; most recent Lombardi Trophy, and we plan to adhere to them throughout the offseason.</p>
<p>Finally, a note going forward: All we&#8217;ve ever wanted from Vikings fans is that <em>they know their place</em>. They&#8217;ve had plenty of successful seasons in the last 50 years, dominating the division through the 1970s and remaining competitive throughout the 1980s and 1990s. They haven&#8217;t anywhere near the dry spell between winning seasons that the Packers had between Lombardi and Holmgren, though their playoff failures speak for themselves. We&#8217;re not suggesting the Vikings are the Detroit Lions, but we&#8217;re also not going to suffer the logic they&#8217;re the Packers, Bears, Steelers, Cowboys or even the Giants. Championships do matter, and when there&#8217;s no football being played (which could be the case for a while), they&#8217;re what keep the banter lively between fanbases. The Vikings, historically, have been a good franchise that has struggled to achieve greatness, often falling short in memorable fashion. The Packers have some goofy traditions, but they&#8217;re also the most decorated team in the history of the league. Respect the economy of scale.</p>
<p>We hope these terms are agreeable to all, and we&#8217;ll be rooting for the Vikings to get a new home this winter. And, we hope, we&#8217;ll be butting heads with the Vikings as we chase title No. 14 next fall.</p>
<p><em>&#8211;The Ol&#8217; Bag of Donuts staff</em></p>
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		<title>Grading Ted Thompson&#039;s Drafts: 2005 Edition</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Since Wednesday marks the start of April, and April marks the month of the NFL Draft, we&#8217;ve decided to start a weekly series, in which we will review the previous four drafts of the Green Bay Packers.</p>
<p>Perhaps we&#8217;d better start at the beginning&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Scene: Prior to the 2005 NFL Draft, fans of the Packers did not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Wednesday marks the start of April, and April marks the month of the NFL Draft, we&#8217;ve decided to start a weekly series, in which we will review the previous four drafts of the Green Bay Packers.</p>
<p>Perhaps we&#8217;d better start at the beginning&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>The Scene:</strong> Prior to the 2005 NFL Draft, fans of the Packers did not know much about their new general manager, Ted Thompson &#8211; and what little we knew, we didn&#8217;t much like.</p>
<p>In less than four months on the job, Thompson had taken a 10-6 team coming off its third straight NFC North Division title and seemingly torn it apart.</p>
<p>He decided to pass on bringing back two-fifths of the team&#8217;s very good offensive line by not re-signing guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle (the latter of those two decisions brought an especially high amount of heat on Thompson). He then released arguably the team&#8217;s leader on defense, free safety Darren Sharper.</p>
<p>Fans thought the team still had enough firepower on both sides of the ball to make a run at yet another division title, provided our new GM could have a good draft class. But we were a very unsure bunch on the morning of April 23, 2005.</p>
<p><strong>The Draft</strong>: One of the draft&#8217;s biggest questions was answered right away as the San Francisco 49ers nabbed quarterback Alex Smith (Utah) with the first pick in the draft. That left the draft&#8217;s other big-name QB, Aaron Rodgers (California) wondering when his name would be called. And wondering. And wondering.</p>
<p>As Rodgers kept plummeting, Packers fans began to ask the unmentionable: Could Thompson actually take a <em>quarterback</em> in the first round? Surely not, right? The team needs too much help in other areas if it is to make a run! Besides, Brett Favre has at least another two or three years left in the tank!</p>
<p>Then, it happened.</p>
<p>Minutes before the Packers&#8217; selection, ESPN cameras caught a smiling Rodgers on his cell phone, presumably talking to Thompson.</p>
<p>He was as Green Bay selected him with the 24th overall pick.</p>
<p>A reeling fan base continued to watch in horror as Thompson used the second round-pick acquired from New Orleans in the Mike McKenzie deal to select a 1-AA free safety (Bethune Cookman&#8217;s Nick Collins) and a wide receiver (Texas A&amp;M&#8217;s Terrence Murphy). The Murphy pick was the team&#8217;s original pick and made little to no sense as the Packers already had Donald Driver, Javon Walker and Robert Ferguson at the position.</p>
<p>If all of that indignity wasn&#8217;t enough, Green Bay then traded its final pick of the day, a third rounder, to Carolina for two fourth round picks the following day.</p>
<p>Thompson wasn&#8217;t done trading down on day two, either, making two more deals with Philadelphia and New England. Those trades turned two picks into four. Seven of eight Green Bay selections on day two came via the trade route as it had two late-round picks from when it traded defensive back Marques Anderson to Oakland early in the 2004 season.</p>
<p>The only pick that was actually Green Bay&#8217;s to begin with was a fourth round selection, used on BYU linebacker Brady Poppinga.</p>
<p>The two picks obtained from the Anderson trade were used on guard/center Junius Coston (fifth round, North Carolina A&amp;T) and defensive end Mike Montgomery (sixth round, Texas A&amp;M).</p>
<p>The other five selections obtained from the Carolina/Philadelphia/New England trades were defensive back Marviel Underwood (fourth round, San Diego State), cornerback Mike Hawkins (fifth round, Oklahoma), wide receiver Craig Bragg (sixth round, UCLA), linebacker Kurt Campbell (seventh round, Albany) and offensive guard Will Whitticker (seventh round, Michigan State).</p>
<p><strong>The Results: </strong>Turns out we might have been wrong on Rodgers. Dead wrong.</p>
<p>After sitting behind Favre for three seasons, Rodgers finally was given the reigns  as the team&#8217;s starter for the 2008 season. All in all, he played very well, throwing for over 4,000 yards, 28 touchdowns and just 13 interceptions. He has plenty of arm strength, good decision-making skills, can make plays with his feet and is a solid leader. He&#8217;s already one of the league&#8217;s better quarterbacks and could become one of its top passers very shortly (fingers crossed).</p>
<p>Same goes with Collins. After showing some flashes, both good and bad, during his first three seasons, the light really came on for him in 2008.  He recorded 72 tackles and seven interceptions (returning three for touchdowns) in earning his first Pro Bowl selection. He&#8217;s a free agent after next season and locking him up long-term is key for the Packers.</p>
<p>Murphy &#8211; we hardly knew ye. The wideout looked to be showing some real potential before suffering a helmet-to-helmet hit in a game against Carolina early in his rookie season. The hit ended his season. Murphy was later found to be suffering from a narrowing of the spinal column near his neck. He was born with this condition and it was responsible for ending his pro career. He finished with five catches, 36 yards and a lot of untapped potential.</p>
<p>(<strong>Update:</strong> I originally wrote that the hit on Murphy caused the narrowing of his spinal column. Reader Scott M. correctly pointed out that Murphy was born with this condition. Sorry for the error.)</p>
<p>As for the day two picks, Poppinga and Montgomery are the only players left on the roster. Poppinga shows some potential as a run-stopper and pass rusher, but has shown almost no coverage ability. He&#8217;ll be in the mix for a starting linebacker spot in the new 3-4 scheme. Montgomery hasn&#8217;t done much of anything outside of a few instances, but the team liked him enough to re-sign him to a two-year contract &#8211; <a href="http://olbagofdonuts.com/2009/03/03/packers-free-agency-news-and-notes/#utm_source=feed&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=feed">despite my pleas for them to do otherwise</a>. He figures to be in the mix at end or outside linebacker next season.</p>
<p>Coston, Underwood and Whitticker &#8211; at one point or another &#8211; all either started or had potential to become starters. All ended up fizzling out, though, and are no longer around.</p>
<p>Hawkins, Bragg and Campbell never did much of anything and are also all gone.</p>
<p><strong>The Grade: B+</strong></p>
<p>Despite all his numerous trades down, which started a trend with him, Thompson failed to gain much from it in 2005. That being said, he landed two big-time talents, one on each side of the ball, in Rodgers and Collins and any time you can do that, you&#8217;ve had a nice draft for yourself. Had Murphy panned out like I think he would have, this draft would have been even better. But if that had happened, we might not have ended up with Greg Jennings so I digress.</p>
<p>-<em>Chris Lempesis</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, cancel those travel plans.  Prized defensive end Chris Canty inked a six-year, $42 million contract with the New York Giants.  ESPN is reporting that $17.5 million of the deal is guaranteed.  The fourth-year pro is expected to slide over to tackle for the Giants, putting his mountain-esque 6&#8242;7, 304 lbs body in the middle of already [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, cancel those travel plans.  Prized defensive end Chris Canty inked a six-year, $42 million contract with the New York Giants.  ESPN is reporting that $17.5 million of the deal is guaranteed.  The fourth-year pro is expected to slide over to tackle for the Giants, putting his mountain-esque 6&#8242;7, 304 lbs body in the middle of already one of the best defensive lines in the game.    The Giants also took a strength from one of their division rivals, even though the Cowboys never made an effort for a contract, putting their efforts and resources into re-signing DeMarcus Ware (can&#8217;t blame them).</p>
<p>The news is a little disheartening to Packer fans because there were reports on Sunday that Canty narrowed his choices down to the Giants and Packers.  However, New York never let him leave his hometown without a contract.  The Packers were trying to schedule a visit with the Bronx, NY native for early this week, but will now look elsewhere for help.  Losing Colin Cole is not a huge loss and no one was really convinced the Packers would land Canty, but defensive line depth is a now a clear need.  Could Igor Olshansky be coming to town for a visit soon?  Olshansky is a step below Canty, but not a huge drop.  The Chargers are not expected to bring him back and there hasn&#8217;t been much talk of where he may end up.  Thompson has proven to be buyer <em>after </em>the opening week of free agency, which may be the case with Olshansky.  The 26-year-old former Oregon Duck may have not reached his full potential yet and is entering the prime of his career.  More I think about it &#8220;Igor the Great&#8221; is starting to look better and better in Green and Gold.</p>
<p>If there is one silver-lining with Canty signing with the Giants is the money the Packers will be saving.  Olshansky or anyone else will come cheaper and the team needs to address next year&#8217;s group of unrestricted free agents, primarily Greg Jennings, Nick Collins, Daryn Colledge, and Aaron Kampman.  The reality is if Canty was inked by the Packers, it would be very hard to re-sign all four of those players.</p>
<p>In other NFC North news, T.J. Houshmandzadeh-Vikings rumors are getting stronger.  After spending about 5 1/2 hours meeting with the team today, The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that Houshmandzadeh is expected to mull over offers from Minnesota, Seattle, and Cincinnati tonight in Minneapolis and make a decision tomorrow.  It is believed that the Bengals have the highest offer on the table at five years, while the Vikings and Seahawks are only offering 3 years.  With Chad &#8220;Don&#8217;t call me Johnson&#8221; Ocho Cinco also on the way out of Cincinnati, Carson Palmer is trying to convince Houshmanzadeh to stay after taking a look at the team&#8217;s potential 2009 depth chart.</p>
<p>If the Vikings are able to land Houshmanzadeh, it will be the second year in a row Minnesota signs the top wide receiver in the market.  He is the perfect compliment for Bernard Berrian as well.  However, don&#8217;t get too worried yet because the QB situation is still foggy for our neighbors to the west.  With only a second-round pick needed to acquire Matt Cassel and rumors the Jay Cutler may be on the trade market, you have to wonder if the Vikings are having second thoughts on the Sage Rosenfals trade.  Either way, acquiring Houshmanzadeh will definitely help whoever is under center.  It is kind of along the belief that if you surround an ugly, nerdy guy at prom with a bunch of beautiful girls, his odds of scoring are better, but not necessarily guaranteed.</p>
<p>Check back tomorrow the latest news.</p>
<p><em>-Adam Somers</em></p>
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